Debate: Do the gospels portray a consistent picture of Jesus? (voting period)


How consistent are the gospels? Can we rely on them to present the character of Jesus accurately? Follow my recent debate here as I challenge my opponent – Otakujorden that they aren’t at all consistent.

I do not wish to offend any Christian with this debate, such is not my intention. I hope those that read it will enjoy it and find it quite interesting. Thank you.

Posted from Saj’s Nexus


Why Muslims reject the Bible to be the 100% word of God

This article is mainly for the Christians in particular. Christians have always questioned Muslims why they consider the Bible not be the full word of God, even though the Bible apparently contains the Torah, Psalms and Gospel which the Qur’an mentions to be from God. In this piece of writing the reader will read some valid explanations to why Muslims make such a claim. By some Christians, this article might be viewed as an attempt to criticize and belittle the Bible and Christianity, rather this is an attempt to help Christians understand the Islamic viewpoint of the Bible. In no way is this an attempt to ridicule Christianity.

The Claim

The allegation which many Christians make is that the Qur’an itself commands Muslims to read the Bible. In answer to this: the Qur’an in no place mentions this. The reason why Christians make such an allegation is because the Qur’an mentions of four heavenly books which were revealed by God to specific, individual Prophets. And they are: the Torah revealed to Moses (pbuh), the Psalms revealed to David (pbuh), the Gospel revealed to Jesus (pbuh) and the Qur’an (or Fur’qan) revealed to Muhammad (pbuh). The Torah, Psalms and the Gospel are all in our current day Bible according to the Christian, this is the argument put forward. Now it’s up to the Muslim to come up with an answer or he loses the argument. The answer is to examine the Bible and the Qur’an and see what they both state about the scriptures: Torah, Psalms and Gospel.

The Torah
The holy Qur’an addresses the Torah to be the revelation revealed to the Prophet Moses (pbuh). But if we read the Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament of the Bible) we will come across many passages which proof to the contrary. One of the many is so strong, that even some Christians themselves claim it could have been revealed to another prophet besides Moses (pbuh). The passage is as follows:

“So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.” [1]

These verses indisputably indicate that the books were revealed after Moses’ (pbuh) death. Some Christians claim that the last few verses of Deuteronomy 34 could have been revealed to Joshua. Could of? Why so uncertain? And it begs another question: if these passages were revealed to Joshua, then why are they in the books of Moses (pbuh)? Isn’t this a sign of corruption? With such problems the supposed books of Moses (pbuh) in the Bible do not match the description given of the Torah in Islam; yes the Qur’an does state of the Torah but it doesn’t say we can find this Torah in the Bible. The Torah was revealed to Moses (pbuh) while he was alive not after he passed away, this is what Muslims believe.

The Psalms
The Psalms is addressed by the Qur’an as the revelation revealed to David (pbuh). Some Christians today claim that David (pbuh) may not be the only writer of the book of psalms. But Muslims all around the world believe that the Psalms was only revealed to David (pbuh), so therefore the Psalms according to the Bible is not the Psalms according to the Qur’an.

The Gospel
Muslims believe the Gospel to be the revelation revealed to Jesus (pbuh) or in short: the Gospel of Jesus (pbuh). Among the so many books of the Bible, as we all know not one is called the Gospel of Jesus (pbuh). The reason to this is because: Jesus (pbuh), in his lifetime never wrote a word of what he was preaching, nor did he instruct anyone to do so. Of course there are the Gospels according to: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, but these were written years after Jesus (pbuh). What the Muslim is asking for is the Gospel of Jesus (pbuh) and we do not have such a gospel in the Bible. So the Bible does not contain the Gospel which the Qur’an mentions.

Guarding it in Safety
Even though the holy Qur’an mentions the previous scriptures, it never says that they were saved from alteration and corruption. Through history we ca find many examples of how the Bible has been changed, altered and added to.

“To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety*: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;”[2]

*The Arabic word used here is: Muhaymin, which is very flexible in meaning; it means one who safeguards, watches over, stands witness, preserves and upholds.

After the corruption of earlier revelations, the Qur’an was sent with the intention to verify the proper and original message and safeguard it or act as a check to its explanation. Whatever matches with the Qur’an, Muslims have no problem in agreeing with it.

Scientific Contradictions in the Bible

There are numerous scientific errors in the Bible which a learned Muslim will never dare to attribute to God. The Muslim believes that God has knowledge of all things and finding scientific errors in the book of God shows God is ignorant of his creation, Muslim cannot accept that God is ignorant.

According to the Bible, God created light before the Sun.
The 1st day: “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”[3]

The 4th day: “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”[4]

Saying: light was created before its cause (the Sun) is illogical and unscientific. This must be marked corruption; if not then the Bible indicates that God almighty is ignorant of his own creation.

According to the Bible, the Moon has its own light
“And God made two great lights (the Sun and the Moon); the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”[5]

Again, if this is God’s word then God is ignorant. Today science tells us that the Moon does not have its own light but it gives off reflected light from the sun.

According to the Bible, vegetation existed before the Sun
The 3rd day: “And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.”[6]

The 4th day: “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”[7]

How can vegetation survive without sunlight? Again, if this is God’s word then God is ignorant.

(These contradictions are only in the first page of the Bible alone (Genesis page 1), we can find more scientific contradictions if we read further into the Bible.)

The Bible must have been corrupted
The verses that have been quoted clearly point out that they are the words of men, written by men. Thousands of years ago men used to think like this because they could only explain accurately what they saw with their naked eyes. Now that science and technology has advanced, we now know the truth. Men are ignorant of God’s creation but God is all knowing and can never be ignorant of anything. The Bible must have been corrupted regarding such passages.

Unnecessary Passages and Use of Language

In some parts of the Bible the language is atrocious. The language is so bad that it can makes impure thoughts creep into the minds of those who read it. Such thoughts drag the reader away from the path of God. The following are some of the many unholy/dirty passages from (one of the) the most read Bibles in the English speaking environment: The King James Version of the Bible.

“And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.”[8]

“And Amnon said unto Tamar, Bring the meat into the chamber, that I may eat of thine hand. And Tamar took the cakes which she had made, and brought them into the chamber to Amnon her brother. And when she had brought them unto him to eat, he took hold of her, and said unto her, Come lie with me, my sister. And she answered him, Nay, my brother, do not force me; for no such thing ought to be done in Israel: do not thou this folly. And I, whither shall I cause my shame to go? and as for thee, thou shalt be as one of the fools in Israel. Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee. Howbeit he would not hearken unto her voice: but, being stronger than she, forced her, and lay with her.”[9]

“Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her…For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.”[10]

The Muslim will disagree that passages like these could in any way be the word of God. Such lewdness of language invites impure thoughts into ones mind.

Great Grandson of Incest

We read in the Bible: Genesis 38:15-30, Judahcommitted adultery (incest) with his own daughter in law named Tamar. As a result of this incident, Tamar had twins which were named Pharez and Zarah. Now Judah (the father of the twins) gets to become the great grandfather of Jesus (pbuh) according to the genealogy of Jesus (pbuh)[11]. The question arises: what is the moral behind this story? What can a mother say to her child after telling this story? That it is ok to commit incest? If it is not then why did God allow Jesus (pbuh) to be born as a result of it? Because ifJudah didn’t commit incest then he wouldn’t have begotten Pharez, then Pharez wouldn’t have begotten Esrom…and on and on. This is a question for the Christians to answer.

We read in the Bible: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”[12]

The Bible explains, all Scriptures revealed by God are gainful for:
• Doctrine  (teach principle)
• Reproof (rebuke us for our errors)
• Correction (offer us alteration)
• Righteousness (guide us to the right path)
Under which heading of above does the story of incest between Judah and Tamar fit into?[13]

Muslims cannot accept such blasphemy about a Prophet of God. The story is so dangerous that it can change the way children think about such matters. Therefore Muslims will never dare to agree that such a story to be true let alone to be a revelation by God.


This article is in answer to those Christians who question why Muslims reject the Bible even though it apparently includes the Torah, Psalms and Gospel which the Qur’an mentions about. In summary, Muslims reject the Bible because: If the Bible is analysed closely it does not contain the original Torah, Psalms and Gospel which the Qur’an talks about, therefore Muslim have no reason to read the Bible as obligatory. The Bible contains scientific errors and any errors in a book of God indicate corruption or that God is ignorant. The book uses unneeded language to explain certain happenings which may bring impure thoughts into the mind when read. The Book insinuates that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) was born due to the action of sin (incest) which is blasphemy. These information were brought about in this article not to make a mockery of Christianity (apologies to those who may have felt offended by this writing), rather it is a response to those Christians who ask why Muslims reject the Bible to be the 100% word of God.


[1] Deuteronomy 34:5-7

[2] Qur’an 5:48

[3] Genesis 1:3

[4] Genesis 1:16

[5] Genesis 1:16

[6] Genesis 1:12

[7] Genesis 1:16

[8] Genesis 19:33-35

[9] 2 Samuels 13:10-14

[10] Ezekiel 23:8-21

[11] Matthew 1

[12] 2 Timothy 3:16

[13] Genesis 38:15-30